PORN MEMS

If I wanted to look at pictures of erect penises I'd go to a porn site. I don't expect to see them on Memrise. This is just not on. I mentioned in another thread about "inviting the perves the the party" and here they are. The possibilities for the abuse of posting pictorial Mems are endless. What's going to be done to sort this out, if anything?

Posted by Fronika 8/8/12, last update 9/5/12 (1 year ago)
  • I think Ben wrote that they would get deleted - so I guess a comment on the word/item should get that fixed. Of course - the fundamental problem of stopping this sort of scenario from re-occurring is a bit more difficult to resolve. It was only a matter of time before this was going to happen.

    Posted by jenniferhunter 8/8/12 (2 years ago)
  • Hi Jennifer. To my mind deleting offensive Mems is akin to locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. Those I've seen so far have only been unsuitable for a family site but not gross. How is Memrise going to deal with a case where a child sees something which is illegal or horrific?

    Posted by Fronika 8/8/12 (2 years ago)
  • Porn makes for quite some amazing mnemonics. I wouldn't rule them out, I'd restrict them.

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/8/12 (2 years ago)
  • @ikenaiAndi - I don't doubt that porn can be quite compelling. The problem is that until the tagging feature, user settings have been set up, there is the problem of displaying porn to minors. I think that's a federal crime in the US. It can be even worse if the porn subject is a child - then we have a whole new set of legislation - and yes - memrise could definitely be charged as distributors. Until those settings are available - it is better to be purer than Caeser's wife.

    Posted by jenniferhunter 8/8/12 (2 years ago)
  • Sure. I only post harmless stuff as mem, for that reason. My most effective mems could not be uploaded here, like when I learned 国際部 (international department), sounding like "cock-sai-bu" - go figure. That's kind of a shame, because that's what memrise is all about, right? Effective mems. By not providing a safe base to post such mems, however, this exact aspect of the site is pretty pointless for me. Nowadays, I hardly use anything else but the example sentence mem feature.

    The reason I replied to this thread was the impression I had when reading it: Comes across pretty hysteric.

    OMGOMG PURGE THEM HEATHENS! BURN THEM WITCHES! :p (And, to top it off, "TOLD YA SO!") ;)

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/9/12 (2 years ago)
  • @ikenaiAndi - I guess I came off a little holier than thou - but, in my defense, this topic (adult content) was discussed ages ago in the Spanish forum. I distinctly remember raising the issue of children using memrise and mem content in that thread. Then it came up again on the main forum a while back. (Note that we are assuming that the mems that Fronika referred to are actual mems and not some juvenile-type behavior.) Instead of getting mem control/tagging features - we got - mem colors (remember the overload of blue?), mem creator tool (so that we could add pictures and easily manipulate text), creation of a popup results screen and removal of the side score, a rolling # pop up screen, currently a discrete line that changes color as you go through the watering session.
    I know there have been discussions (or there have been allusions to discussions about mem categorization), but I haven't even seen a little progress such as requiring users to categorize their mems as adult or not-adult. Something that small would give me hope that the infrastructure is being built instead of being talked about. Then memrise could argue at their leisure about the details and gradations in the adult category - aka sexual imagery to sexual innuendos to level of profanity to whatever. After all - child content should be anything that isn't "adult" and I think most of us adults have an idea of what is and isn't appropriate for little ears or little eyes.

    Posted by jenniferhunter 8/9/12 (2 years ago)
  • We don't disagree one bit. Not sure if there's actual work done on tagging features (not only for mems, you could pull off amazing stunts with tags for words and lists, too - i9magine the possibilities). There has never been a clear statement in that direction.

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/9/12 (2 years ago)
  • Hysterical not to want to see illegal pornographic content? Wow, that's some reasoning. Let's not spoil the boy's fun, eh.

    Posted by Fronika 8/9/12 (2 years ago)
  • Care to re-read your OP?

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/9/12 (2 years ago)
  • @Fronika - I understand your frustration. I have nephews and nieces and I've gotten a lot more conscious of what I say and do in front of them. The problem is that different societies have different standards/laws on what is and is not acceptable. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_Internet_pornography) Individual people have different standards of what is acceptable or not. In most western countries, kissing in public is acceptable. But do you remember what happened when Richard Gere kissed that Indian actress? There were protests in India because PDAs (public displays of affection) are not considered proper or respectful. Likewise - there is a greater amount of nudity in European advertisement than in the US. (In the US - there was a big ruckus over 2 second Nipplegate (janet jackson/timberlake)).

    I'm a big advocate for protecting children and people who don't want to see potentially offensive material, but I also don't want to limit speech or creativity to a G-rating/disney level. That's why I really want Memrise to set up an explicit system of mem tagging, child controls and clearly defined rules on what to say or not (basic respect as in not saying hateful things like muslim = terrorist or johnny is a $#@!). (To all the people against any restriction of speech - I've been watching news reports on the massacre at the Sikh temple and reading some of the "lyrics" that the terrorist listened to/played. I have to wonder what if any part of those lyrics and propaganda/culture played into the events that resulted in 6 innocent people's death.) As a follow up - have those "mems" been removed? If they haven't, I'd recommend emailing B.Whately because I have a feeling that they really should be removed until memrise can create a stable and logical framework on what is and is not acceptable on memrise's website.

    Posted by jenniferhunter 8/9/12 (2 years ago)
  • Ther's a difficulty here because Fronika doesn't want to say in the forum, "Here, these pictures are the bad ones"' thus pointing the innocent but curious at the offending images. But that leaves the rest of us wondering which images she's objecting to.

    I've seen one recent image that perhaps meets her description, but maybe there are more explicit ones somewhere else. (Actually, referring back to IkenaiAndi's suggestion that rude/gory mems can be memorable, and without disputing the principle - in this caseI thought the mem I saw wasn't very good - it didn't help me remember the word, instead it's filed in my brain under 'plonkers' in both senses)

    But the point I set out to make is that the only effective mechanism at present for reporting this kind of abuse is to email Ben directly. Anything else potentially sets up a signpost, when the complainant is probably seeking to avoid that.

    Does memrise need a 'report abuse' button? Are they a good idea?

    Posted by revans 8/9/12 (2 years ago)
  • There should be an abuse button. Apart from notifying a person in charge, it shouldn't do anything though, or people will abuse it. Ironic, eh?

    As long as there are no mechanisms to protect kids, I sure as hell would not post anything remotely porn / gory at all.

    Comments a la "Let's not spoil the boy's fun, eh." make me smile though. What a jerk reaction.

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/9/12 (2 years ago)
  • We definitely need a "report abuse" button. I'd prefer that mems that are reported are pulled from the mem stream until a person in charge can review it. Of course - there would have to be consequences for people who abuse the "report abuse" button - loss of points, suspension of account, etc. This is just my 2 cents so it's not authoritative, but I have a feeling that using porn in a mem may actually detract from the quality of the mem because the imagery is too distracting, if you know what I mean.

    Posted by jenniferhunter 8/10/12 (2 years ago)
  • There are people trolling other people's walls, the forum, create mems with BS just to annoy others. Do you think these people actually care about their accounts? Since we're pretty anonymous here, too, a bunch of my mems have been downrated by one person I may have pissed off (I seem to be pretty good at that). Roughly 20 in one go. ;)

    A probably excellent mem out of order for god knows how long the staff needs to react (c'mon, let's be honest here - what do you think about the average reaction time here?) - bad approach IMHO.

    If there were tags, and such a mem would be rated "adult" on being reported, that would be no problem.

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/10/12 (2 years ago)
  • (I do see the point tho - offensive mems online for 2 weeks can have devastating consequences as well, but there's that beloved thumbs down function still, one of the last pieces promoting antisocial behaviour on memrise, which, in this case, actually has one thing going for it.

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/10/12 (2 years ago)
  • @IkenaiAndi - I get what you're saying - but what else can we or even Memrise do? It's not like memrise asks us for our first born child upon sign-up and I definitely don't mind taking the hit if it means that a child will be protected from seeing inappropriate content. Maybe - privileges such as "report this" or "thumbs down" should be earned based on time spent on Memrise, genuine content (no point generators) added to the wiki, signing up to be a curator and actually curating several hundred words, creating highly rated mems (4:1 thumbs up to mem ratio), etc. That might deter the trolls from distorting the system because they would have to do too much work before they get these privileges. Tagging would definitely help - at least then - the creator of the mem/course/whatever has some control over when and how it should be displayed. I think a lot of people at different points have mentioned tagging, but it, like so many other valid requests (e.g. removing the thumbs down button, user controls for a users garden page, forum thread subscriptions, etc) just generates a lot of comments but no results.

    Posted by jenniferhunter 8/10/12 (2 years ago)
  • Let's wait and see what the result of this week's team gathering will amount to. Ben wrote somewhere he'd be with the team in the UK. Maybe they got their act together.

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/10/12 (2 years ago)
  • Idea: Make mems visible to self only & add to moderation queue. Possibly for members with low mem-rep only. (When such a thing as mem-reputation is actually recorded).

    Posted by Jem 8/12/12 (2 years ago)
  • @ikenaiAndi. What I've noticed about your forum posts, apart from the vast number of them, is their often sneering tone towards people with whom you disagree. I won't be reading any more of your comments and I imagine I'm not alone in that. Enjoy your porn and your haunting of the forums posting snide comments. Oh and look in your mirror to see a real jerk.

    Posted by Fronika 8/13/12 (2 years ago)
  • I agree that there should be a restricted access membership. This is only a beta version. In the alpha version I'd be happy to verify my age with a credit card and have access to an adults only version. I want my kid to use Memrise, but I don't want him looking at porn.

    I personally want more memorable mems, so anything goes for making things more memorable.

    Posted by Funkman 8/13/12 (2 years ago)
  • Aye, have fun ignoring me. Now excuse me, I need to watch some porn.

    Posted by ikenaiAndi 8/14/12 (2 years ago)
  • @Funkman: Suggest you check on the meaning of 'alpha' in this context. In general it's used to mean the even earlier stage of testing. Actually, memrise doesn't use 'beta' anywhere near the strict meaning - they use it to mean something like 'unfinished, under development, don't complain if it doesn't work right'. For me, beta implies controlled testing.

    Posted by revans 8/14/12 (2 years ago)
  • @revans: Seriously, this site is completely free at the moment. Why would anyone complain. You know that saying about gift horses?

    Posted by Funkman 9/5/12 (1 year ago)
  • @Jem A personal mem would be an awesome feature. I've just started in the mandarin section and I'm encountering mems that aren't all that good for me. If there were a personal/private self-mem, I'd be adding some explicit word-play (ie not pictures) mems already. I find these to be the best way to remember otherwise un-remarkable characters.

    Posted by stephenrd 9/5/12 (1 year ago)